So, anyone remember this lady?
D’WAH?!?! Ina?! As in Alice Liddel’s sister Ina?! Wha?!?
Way to throw us for a loop, ladies.
So, that ghost might not be Dorothy after all, but the first Alice.
If you read a few page past the one that Meg linked too, Alice ends up talking to her creep purple-eyed reflection. So that might be the “ghost” too. Some sort of energy or shade or reflection of a Namesake. That could explain Ina too, I guess.
That, or Edith’s spirit, full of vengeance.
Oh goodness, I THOUGHT that was her. What the heck is SHE doing… erm… there/alive/with the Rippers/etc.?
Wait wait. Does that mean Mr Mysterious is Lewis Carrol?
I sure as hell hope not!
I really like Mr. Carroll!
Wait, is the man she’s talking to . . . Lewis Carrol?! I make this assumption because his face has yet to be revealed so therefore we have met him before according to the rules of fiction.
Yes, that’s what I was thinking for some reason. I guess if Ina (or her shade?) is still alive, then some form of Mr. Dodgeson (Lewis Carrol) might be there too.
OK, now I’m dying to know why Ina’s with the Rippers and how she managed to stay alive all this time.
I want to know how she can live with herself. Her manner is so improper!
So the sword is personified: “he” Lorina is alive, and “our.common friend” is the ghost is Alice Pleasance Liddell!!?? Or not? Mind boggling, amazing!
Second thought..he isn’t the sword! Who is it, Nose?
So the creature in the sword was One’s pet project, and Emma let it loose. Interesting.
So Ina decided that being a namesake was too dangerous and to destroy them. How did she choose to become a shadow lady?
Shouldn’t it be “Where shadows are, there am I”?
Technically yes, but it was phrased the way it is in the comic on purpose.
Perks up. That’s interesting too!
Cheshire Cat? GOLLUM? IS SHE GOLLUM? Precioussssss…
Wait… Vorpal? I don’t remember the type of sword being mentioned before, but the Vorpal Sword is a Wonderland thing. Though the way they talk about it, it feels like there may be more than one of them. Maybe. I dunno. I wonder where, exactly, she got it from. What story it’s closest to, if any.
First mention of the Vorpal Sword is by Lewis Carrol from Through the Looking Glass, the sequel to Alice in Wonderland. More specifically, it comes from the “Jabberwocky” poem in which the Vorpal Blade is used to slay the Jabberwock. The interesting thing is that whole poem is loaded with words that don’t actually mean anything–”vorpal” being one of them. But now the iconic weapon is an accepted term for a very powerful sword; used in D&D, and tons of video games as a (usually) potent weapon.
Though back to the Vorpal Blade; it is interesting that it is presented here as a rapier. The original Vorpal Blade decapitates the Jabberwock. But rapier-like swords shown here hardly have the blade to make decapitations of people–no less the Jabberwock. If this is the very same Vorpal Blade from the Jabberwocky poem, that raises a lot of questions. It should look more like Alice’s broadsword at the coloured sneak peek page. It wouldn’t be surprising if this was a just a sword that was Vorpal though, seeing as there are so many iterations of “Vorpal” weapons out there.
Or possibly the vorpal blade shapes itself to the needs of its user. Emma may be lighter framed and not able to handle the same blade type as the person in Jabberwocky, so it came to her as a rapier.
Also, the vorpal blade in the poem went “snicker-snack” which really brings to my mind the image of giant scissors, and not exactly a sword. So quite obviously, it shouldn’t be a broadsword either, it should be giant scissors.
Though I get the point of your argument, scissors go “snip” not “snicker-snack”. It’s also worth noting that the original drawing did show the vorpal blade being a broadsword. While the cut from your jab doesn’t go unnoticed, I must parry your blow.
If Ina is still around, then One is definitely Lewis Carroll! I’m sticking with that theory until proven wrong. I also think Ina looks a little bit like Renge… But maybe that’s just me missing Oz and trying to find familiarity…
i’m pretty sure the ‘he’ is not the sword, but nose
Lorina! What is going on! 0_0 Aren’t you supposed to be dead and are you some illusion like in Alice in the Country of Hearts. I have a feeling these may not be the originals, they may be magical doppelgangers that took on their appearances. A ghostly Lorina, it is just like Alice in the Country of Hearts, where she torments Alice in her dreams whenever she thinks of her old life back in her old world. Though the odd thing in that series is that Lorina died not Edith. D:
Wait Lorina Liddle-Skewe?! But shouldn’t she be as dead as her baby sister Alice Liddel is? *lol* or is Ina the great grand daughter of Alice Liddels only remaining sister? If she’s really Lorina, how’d she become a Namesake or whatever she is now that’s kept her alive and young all these years? *lol*
And shame about WHAT spell?
The protection spell on Emma, I’m assuming. So the Rippers put it there to protect her? What were they protecting from? She isn’t supposed to be in Oz. … Or is she? What if Emma really Isn’t a namesake? What if One is trying to get the power to create namesakes or become one himself? So he uses the names that his Rippers sell to him for their various reasons and tries to implant the power in another. Emma at the hospital was perhaps receiving it without realizing it in the flashback with Nose. So Emma is a jumper because she received a namesakes power (or a namesake cocktail of powers). But that magic would likely be unstable since it isn’t here to begin with. So they put a spell on her to protect her if she leaps without their knowledge. Otherwise they try to keep her power under control by constantly “fixing her mind” and masking her memories.
Man. I’m full of crazy and possibly ridiculous theories today. I love theorizing!
I’m thinking it means the spell containing the Ghost in the tree.
Good point! I had thought there was a spell on the sword, keeping something trapped inside it; but you’re right, it doesn’t have to be that.
Wait. They are called Rippers for a reason. Do you think they rip something out of the namesake when they remove the name? Ina wanted Lewis to cure Alice. Maybe he decided namesakes were too dangerous and therefore tampered, (turning himself into One and creating the Rippers) removing Alice’s name and binding that bit of he in the void, creating a ghost that’s always missing a bit of herself, so she is always trying to feed on others, specifically namesakes. And the other masks are also like the names of rippers who separated themselves from their power. And the vorpal blade was used to bind them…
Yeah…Zune that’s too out there, but rereading the whole comic and the. Reading everyone’s comments here… It just got me to thinking…
If it is Lewis Caroll, and it well might be, how is he so young after all this time and where does he get those blue vials of magic energy? My guess is that the answer is in his “purchase” of their names. By doing that he is “ripping” what makes them a namesake, hence “rippers” from them and has the energy to use himself. Probably not completely, since they still have abilities, but enough to keep them from getting caught up in the storys anymore.
Just a guess. The Devious Duo may well have something completely different in mind. I’m going to enjoy finding out. =)
I apologize for the lack of editing. Read the new page on my phone, got excited and tried to comment from the phone. Apparently that didn’t go well:p
Is “broken toy” referring to Nose then?
Is this that magical addiction thing Alice mentioned earlier?
I think it does refer to Nose, I think she’s talking about how quietly he took orders there, otherwise the comment about just being well-trained doesn’t make sense. A broken spirit.
Is could be a hint that Nose is Pinocchio. But I may be looking too deep.
I should have guessed. XD
Hold it, does that mean the Ghost is actually the Jabberwocky?
Ah. New theory. The original Alice harmed two lives before joining Calliope. Her non-beheaded sister and the boyfriend of the beheaded sister, who was lost in Wonderland. Both of whom would have plenty of reason to hold a grudge against Namesakes…
So my current theory about One is that he was the cricket-player who Alice sent to Wonderland with her sister.
Granted my theories keep changing from update to update.
Wonderful work! Love Ina’s hair and dress.
I really like this theory. We only saw Alice’s sister beheaded, but never any confirmation as to whether or not he, too, was beheaded.
That being said, he should’ve still died of old age. Like the Dorothies.
I wonder what magical item would be used for immortality… Only thing I can think of is Fountain of Youth.
There’s too many to list across all the stories that exist. I hate to do this, but… TvTropes has a good list under the “Immortality Inducer” trope (found here to ruin your life: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImmortalityInducer).
Wonderland and Oz are different, however…I don’t think Wonderland has Ozma’s immortality spell on it, though time may work differently there (It’s generally a silly place, like Camelot!)
Whoa wait what? O: The Vorpal blade?!
So does this mean Emma is meant to be the new Alice in Wonderland if she has the Vorpal sword? But she still has the wrong name to be a proper Namesakian. *lol*
maybe she is the namesake that can go everywhere!
I just assumed there was a Dorothy traipsing about Regency England playing matchmaker and being generally…er..Clueless.
Lol! Oh please tell me that pun was intentional!!!
Oh my, certainly our Emma has sense, if not sensibility.
I’m still guessing that Emma is supposed to be a new Namesake. All of those stories start with an original one’s adventures after all. That would explain her unusual level of power IMO.
In regards to Ina, there is definitely something different about her. You’ll notice, in the first panel she’s in, she’s not simply stepping out of the shadows, she’s -materialising- out of the shadows. If this is Ina, I doubt she’s still human.
Hmmm… maybe the “Broken Toy” and the “Pet Project” are two separate people. If the Pet is assumed to be Emma because she had the sword, then the “Common Friend” between Shade Ina and Mysterious Number One from Ina’s past is likely to be the First Alice.
Both Alice and Emma are shown with incredible powers. Maybe as a way of stabilizing Alice when (if) she died, they stored her in the sword? Then as a way of stabilizing Emma, they stored the sword in her?
I read that as Nose = Broken Toy (Carroll/One is saying he’s not actually broken), and that Emma = Pet Project (he ‘ripped’ her name at childhood, and has been monitoring her since, with presumably some goal of using her later).
Good guess. Not so sure he ripped her name at childhood though, it seems to me that he needs permission to do that. There is an early reference to having “sold” their name to become a ripper. He’s definitely trying to bind her power and memory though, given Nose’s report.
See, I read it as “Broken Toy” is Nose; “Pet Project” is Alice – the original Alice, soul bound to the tree and protected there until such a time as they could… grant her immortality, perhaps? or find a way to return her name to her, if she had her name stolen by One; and the “mutual friend” as Emma.
I got the vibes of Ina working for – or having some relation to, at least – Calliope from this page, I’m not sure why! Perhaps Ina is a double agent?
I think the ghost of masks is the Pet Project, the Broken Toy is Nose, and the mutual friend is Emma.
I wonder if Ina is the black goo stuff from Oz?
Eek, so much vague new information and so many theories :O
I wonder how Nose is “broken”? Must have something to do with that little boost he took a minute ago…
Addict would be my guess. An addict to the blue magic liquid just like the girl in the wheelchair [name escapes me] was to the magic of the red shoes.
Ha! A broken Nose…. I see what you did there!
Is Ina missing an arm or has it just not finished materializing yet?
WOAH theories are flying. And the vorpal blade… oof, curiouser and curiouser
Looking at the frames in which we can see One’s face I’m not so sure it’s Carroll. Looking back I’m thinking it might be Aubrey Harcourt, the guy who had been engaged to Alice’s sister. We know what happened to her sister, we see the body come back but there’s never anything said about him personally. Since it seems they both got sucked through I can imagine that he knows what happened to Edith. I imagine this seeming crusade against Namesakes could be a revenge thing and Ina would make a perfect accomplice since I’m sure they both blame Alice for what happened.
So it /is/ her! I thought it looked like her and the name was the same, but I wasn’t sure. Thanks for the confirmation.
So, he really is Lewis Carroll??? And the sword is the one from Jabberwocky… And Alice’s sister! Whatever happened in these hundred years to turn them into… this? Oh my Gods.
But if One is Carroll, you didn’t draw his nose consistently! That’s not playing fair, Mlle Melançon Ò_Ó
This installment and the comments have really gotten to me. A couple of ideas:
The vorpal sword in Tenniel’s illustration of Jabberwocky looks similar to the sword in the first page of the prologue and in Alice’s hand in the sneak peek, so we can assume that is the (or a) vorpal sword, and Emma’s sword is not (unless there are multiples of different design). Although Aubrey is physically like the image of ‘One’ Carroll is more so, and we only got two glimpses of Aubrey with no dialogue. Not enough for him to be the mastermind of the Rippers. I still believe it is Carroll, the contrast between the kindly Oxford don and the mysterious leader of the Rippers has real emotional resonance. What made him like this, what is he trying to accomplish. Is his motive, as always to help his favorite child friend, and if so is Alice the ghost? Who or what is Ina now. How did she become a denizen of the shadows, she seems more friendly to Dodgeson how did that happen.
Finally someone mentioned the First Alice. Is Alice Liddell (Hargreaves) the first Alice. Dodgson first told the story to Ina, Alice and Edith on 7/4/1862, Alice visits Wonderland in 6/1863 in this story. If he is a writer, did his telling of the story “create” Wonderland and then Alice went there, or we’re their other Alices earlier on? Did “Looking Glass” elements like the vorpal blade “exist” before Dodgson wrote that book (published 1871) is an iconic illustrator (like Tenniel, or Isa, for that matter) also considered a writer, or does a writer only work in words?
Am I out of my mind to worry about these things?
These are exactly the things I’ve been wondering for years!
So. You might be out of your mind. Who can say, really?
What the bugger! Who’s the “common friend”?! And Ina- what!
Too many exclamation points for one comment!
Hmmm…Did Ina join the Rippers before or after Alice left with Mr. Dodgson? After is simpler. Alice & Mr.Dodgson wreck havoc on her life. The Nameless come and offer her a means of revenge.
BUT, some of Mrs. Skene comments imply she was already with the opposition: “I have never invited you to tea.” The other is more an impression. Ina knows that Alice has strange powers, “She is doing IT again.” “[Ina] you saw me go into Underground and the Looking Glass.” But Ina continues to push an “agenda” of controlling Alice; sanitariums, you’re ruining the family rep.
So many theories! Staying tuned to the same fantastic channel.
Had a thought. Chiseri said he came to Oz to find two specific spells. One for traveling between worlds, the other for immortality. Maybe Mr. Dodgson found the latter?
I was thinking a wee bit about this and I was wondering which of the ghosts was the initial one. The one within the killed girl. We know there are 2. If the malicious one is Alice’s Reflection (AliRe for short :P), then was the first one the right Alice? Or something else entirely – the ghost of Dorothy (since AliRe comments about not being able to “save her world forever” and we were in the subject of Oz… or were we? the killed girl had red shoes, right?), whose presence resulted in Emma get thrown into Oz? Perhaps there can be no ‘good Alice ghost’ when a living Alice exists? Is that the same Alice anyway? Because if One is Carroll, Alice could be the same as well. .-. However, if AliRe was taking control of Alice when she was weak (fear, anger, etc.) and ultimately led to her death, perhaps Carroll went ‘berserk’ against Calliope for not protecting Alice..? That would explain: 1. why they try to constraint namesake’s powers; 2. were trying to trap AliRe (assuming, of course, that this ghost IS AliRe); 3. not to mention why One is working against Calliope. And Ina? Was she trying to prevent Alice going into Calliope, because she knew more than she could admit? So many questions. .-.
Which comes first? The story, or the Namesake?
We know things go badly when a Namesake dies, but what if something happens to their Writer? Or if either/both are forgotten?
Are there fewer and fewer Namesakes over time?
Are (at least some of) the Rippers trying to “rip up” the stories in an attempt to “liberate” creativity?
Questions that are bouncing around in my head…
I dont think its lewis Carrol Ina never liked him and to team up with him is kinda disturbing could be ediths hubby? I mean he did get sucked to wonderland. Dunno but its getting interesting.
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NamesaKe, even. *headdesk*
Chalk it up to brain-overwhelmation due to awesomeness. (if I were more awake, I could probably phrase that more poetically… )
The vorpal blade, huh? Pump out these comics faster so I can find out what happens!
After the previous page, I was expecting us to get a new scene . . . I guess we KIND OF get that, though I was more expecting Elaine + Ben & Calliope, or Emma & Police. But this Is NEW, nonetheless.
Before I saw the old page (via link), I thought the Lady of the Shadows was Jinjur! Or at least she looked like her!
This is how I interpeted the following:
Broken Toy = Nose
Pet Project = ‘Jabberwocky’ or ‘Looking Glass’
Common Friend (trapped) = emotionally-face-changing ghost
Shame about the Spell = Protection spell being broken, that is
Hi! Long-time lurker, first time poster. I thought I had discovered a subtle connection between Ripper #1 and the Wizard of Oz all the way back in Jinjur’s history lesson in Chapter 3, but I had to discard it because the faces didn’t quite match (Wizard’s coloring suggests auburn hair, One’s is stark white. Wizard has chunkier jaw than One, with an extra “layer” to it that One lacks). However, the similarities between the Rippers and Jinjur’s account of the Wizard’s arrival (“…he refused to share his name with them…”) suggest a similar origin. Is there, or is there not, a connection?
That blade isn’t even remotely vorpal.
It is straight as an arrow. Not a single vorp in sight.
IS THE TITLE A REFERENCE TO AN MCR SONG BECAUSE OMG
I’m pretty sure though, that should be “if there ARE shadows, then there is me” – shadows is plural, and “is” is singular
Please read below. Ina says this several times, and each time it’s how I want her to say it. ^_^
Odd…Don’t see that anywhere below…so that grammar makes sense if…
“Shadows” is someone (or something’s) proper name? Hmn….
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