I don’t QUITE trust you yet, Nose, but you’re getting there…
Agreed… He’s regaining my respect… Though I’m still a bit leary…
I completely don’t trust him at all. But he’s earning my respect. You have to respect an epic character, even if you have a sneaking suspicion they’re totally playing the other characters for some sort of unclear and personal endgame.
Nose, he is a cunning one that’s for sure. For better or worse…
[nose you piece of shit you want to eat that memory even though you need it I cannot believe that you still have that basic instinct of 'man I want to eat people' holy shit, I don't trust you]
I think eating it is how you absorb it into yourself. He wants the memory/power, but he knows he needs Daniel to take it.
I don’t think he did eat or absorb it … it’s possible it was a “coulda, shoulda, woulda – but Didn’t” thing.
Otherwise we would have seen a “swallow” panel.
I think we did see an ‘absorb’ panel, from when he was eating Suzanne at the orphanage. And we saw a ‘swallow’ panel when One gave the go-ahead for the attack on Calliope.
they fed him on the stuff for years and one obviously still uses the rationing of it as a reward/leash for good jobs, so the fact that he shows some addict problems in regards to having to physically restrain himself makes me feel more sorry for him, not less.
ahhh man I didn’t see it that way, thank you for pointing it out! I actually thought before (way before, first instance it happened) he had some addict problems with magic but I did not connect it with this instance, whoops. Rereading it this is the second time he’s sworn in the entire comic, and he looks wrecked about trying not to eat it.
He’s a created being, apparently bound in some way, and kept bound among other things by what looks like an “addiction” to story-stuff. He appears to have been raised and trained from creation/infancy by One, who’s his master. All that considered, a) he’s awesome to have anything resembling free will in the first place, b) it’s not like being a straightforward good guy’s ever likely to have done him a lick of work–he’s got no choice but to be stealthy and sneaky and tricksy, and c) he appears to be more on Emma’s side than not. That he’s also on his own side is only fair. All said and done, it’s only fair that for him, his own side out-trumps anyone else’s. It doesn’t look like he’s got anybody else rooting for him, after all. If Nose doesn’t take care of Nose, then there’s not much hope for him.
Yeah, Nose is a complicated person, and he’s a really fascinating character, but I hesitate to trust him/classify him as anything above potential antihero. While it’s true that he’s had to learn to be stealthy, and that he’s manifested some kind of free will, and he is on Emma’s side, he still does things that make me wary of him. I tend to stick to the mantra of ‘Backstory explains, but does not absolve characters of blame’. So Nose’s story is hella sad but he still makes questionable decisions! He uses Bird in a way that can only be described as cruel; he completely ignores her when it suits him, and then uses her when he needs a favor. He’s not really thinking of her at all, and manipulates and cheats her of memories on top of that!! If Bird was catty and terrible back at him I could think that they had this hate-hate relationship but Bird is helpless for Nose, and it’s really sad and kind of scary to see her be sabotaged again and again. He’s also bad at remorse! He can’t really comprehend why fucking up Emma’s head is anything worse than an awkward conversational topic, or why Banshee thinks that he’s terrible even though it was an order. You could argue that his moral compass was beaten out of him if it were any other person, but this is EMMA we’re talking about. He likes Emma more than anyone or anything else. And yet he still can’t fathom that hurting her like that is a Bad Thing. Also he stabbed Ben (implied fatal wound before healing potion) without really caring about who he was, he was just in the way.
He’s kind of terrible at being a person, he sees himself as a ‘tool’ or ‘object’, so while it’s sad and I’m sad and I want to punch One for keeping this kid in his clutches, at the same time I have to acknowledge that SINCE he has some sort of free will right now, he’s also someone who is in a very morally gray (or even worse) area. (SORRY THIS WAS VERY LONG, NOSE IS REALLY FASCINATING)
I think my biggest problem is that, to me, there’s a reading of not just sensible caution, but of blame on a level that seems out of place. Right now it looks like Nose has actually exceeded the reasonable moral and ethical parameters of his upbringing and environment: he’s damaged, warped, but also fighting for something better. That doesn’t make him less dangerous, but it does mean that rather than being judged as bad for his negatives, he deserves to be judged as good for having fought and achieved his positives.
He’s someone who was raised to be both bad and helpless, who’s actually showing signs of working to become good and self-determining.
I dunno. I agree he’s dangerous, and damaged. But when you start at the bottom and insist on moving up, you deserve more credit than, say, Emma and Elaine’s father, who started out human, and chose to move down.
Which is to say I prefer the moral yearnings of a devil who’s improving himself to those of an angel on the downhill slide, even if the angel’s still higher in the light than the devil coming up from the utter darkness. (grin) I suppose it’s a matter of taste. But I admire Nose, while mainly finding Emma and Elaine’s father despicable so far.
Having had to reconsider the poor opinion of my father I held as a young man (long story), I’ve been inclined to give Daniel a lot of slack. Daniel’s strongest failing appears to fear of his own death, or permanent loss of his loved ones. Less charitably, he’s a coward less concerned with honor or his family’s respect than with losing anything he values. Almost the literal definition of a “first world problem.” So maybe my empathy for Daniel is a matter of taste, but I suspect most of us are more like Daniel, even as we wish for Nose’s cunning, Ben’s empathy, & Emma’s courage.
Ah, I see what you mean. Nose is kind of going from the bottom up. I’d argue a little that Nose is still being kind of terrible (how he treats people, already stated above), but, you have a point in that he’s trying to fight for something more positive. One is trying to control things for his own selfish purposes while Nose is fighting to free Emma (and potentially die for it). So I guess it’s a bit of an ‘ends-justify-the-means’ argument, but in such radically different goals that’s justified.
Actually I’m really curious about Daniel, because One said that he raised him too (though obviously under different circumstances, since Daniel thinks he’s human and Nose thinks he’s just a tool) (but how differently) (and is Daniel’s really good writer powers attributable to One’s influence or did One just find him)
Thank you for that personality analysis and the metaphor, both helped me understand this character better.
So the blue stuff is memories? Or maybe stories too, since writers draw on their past experiences. I wonder if this type a memory stealing also creates a hole or ghost…
oh man awesome! I always assumed the blue stuff was just raw namesake power or something, but that makes a lot of sense that it’s memories. After all, namesakes are powered by stories, and stories are just memories that have been written down!!
Since Nose was eating Suzanne’s essence in the orphanage, presumably she was too young to have generated Namesake memories. Maybe memories are an aspect of Namesake power, & the potential to create such memories is simply a different form of the power [like the different pases of matter].
Nom nom nom nope
Okay, so the sword is part of Emma; that is interesting, her weapon is intrinsic to her.
And Daniel was a writer? But never finished his story. Perhaps that’s why he gave up his name? Perhaps his story was hard on his Namesake, so he decided not to finish it? Was Emma’s mother his Namesake? So much interesting on this page.
Nose, you shouldn’t kiss Vanessa unless you mean it, she’s vulnerable.
It’s ok. A kiss is not a contract.
But it’s very nice. Very, very nice.
(If you weren’t referencing Flight of the Conchords, this will be really akward…)
This sounds like a reference I don’t understand.
My apologies. It’s a song from Flight of the Conchords.
Never apologize for being literate! Now you have expanded my knowledge too.
Still contemplating the idea that the “Sleeping Beauty” figure is Emma’s mother. Since we know Daniel was her (Emma’s mother) writer, and now we know he’s a powerless writer who never finished his story, the idea that “Sleeping Beauty” (aka a Rose/Briar Rose/Aurora) is Emma’s mother is actually pretty legitimate, considering her story is not finished. She still has to “wake up.” Is this a possible blackmail opportunity for One over Daniel? Maybe that if he cooperates he’ll gain his writer powers back, therefore enabling him to wake up Emma and Elaine’s mother?
I missed that; how do we know Daniel is the female sleeper’s writer? He could be the writer for the ‘real’ Emma, or the hiding visitor who confronted Emma in her quarters, or Trinket, or Banshee? Or Ina? Mind you, your statement is very plausible, but we don’t know that the sleeper is in the middle of Daniel’s unfinished story; One could have caused the ‘coma’ outside of the context of a Namesake’s story; which would mean she doesn’t really *have* to wake up.
We *don’t* know that Daniel is the female sleeper’s writer. We do know, however, that he’s Emma’s mother’s writer. We also know that Emma’s mother is currently not in the picture (for whatever reason), and that Emma does not think very kindly on her (possibly for whatever reason she’s not there with them). Given that Emma’s mother is a namesake, Daniel is her writer, and we know that he never got to finish his story, and we have a mysterious figure sleeping upstairs in the Ripper’s mansion…I’ve just been kind of contemplating the possibility.
So he told Emma’s dad that he took the memory from “Bird”, but didn’t add that he gave her back her name……sneaky bastard. #ILikeIt
Vanessa?! Oh …. what-you-know with reading previous comments from previous pages so long ago, I didn’t even notice.
Can you give namesakes their names back once they sold it? It doesn’t look like he’s transferring anything back to her, and when Jack called Vanessa by her name (in chapter 1, I think), it did not change anything, except her telling him that she sold her name. I read it more as if Nose wanted to thank Bird from his heart, even though it looks like he sneaked that memory from her without her consent.
I think he promised to give Vanessa back her “secret.” Doesn’t look like he did though.
I just stayed up till 4 AM reading this whole series and I have an 8 AM class followed by work until 9 PM, yet I have no regrets (:
I read it this weekend for the first time, LOVED it, and then re-read it and took notes… I love a good mystery!
Ha! Called it! Knew he was taking the memory of Elaine to cover up some tracks! Way to go, Nose!
Really digging the “Daniel is a powerless writer” backstory. And I can’t wait to find out what Nose’s game really is. And methinks that One’s anger is going to be terrifying once he finds out what Nose is up to in regards to this little jailbreak…
Did they strip him of his writer-powers to make skeleton keys?
Ooh, nice theory! Maybe his wife is a Sleeping Beauty Namesake and won’t wake up, so he joins the Rippers to try to get her back. One forcibly rips the abilities of a Writer from Daniel (on the premise of making two people who can destroy Namesakes forever), and now Daniel is in deep with the Rippers and had to raise Emma as his own. Maybe Daniel was a particularly gifted Writer and that’s why Elaine’s so powerful.
Oh, man, your comment has me riding the crackpot theory train!
Now we know that when people give up their names, it separates their existence from their powers and creates a ghost. I think that Sleeping Beauty might actually be Emma’s body separated from her power… my other theory is the one above, b/c there’s a scene where Emma is remembering being a small child and going through a worm hole with her mother who is an as of yet unnamed Namesake. I’ve wondered if her name was Dorothy… I think that the blue stuff is the magic of imagination, it’s the ability to create new worlds (thus the Djinn says to Elaine “Have you created one [a world] yet?”), it is literally the waters of creation. I think that people get high off of drinking it, that’s why Bird and Nose want the stuff. The sword is part of Emma’s imagination, just it is literally part of her… Or, in this case, the Alice that was stuffed inside her…
Can’t be. There is a flashback of Emma and her mom, the one mentioned recently with the red lab door, in which Emma and her mom are at Ripper HQ and her mom is dragging her into a lab for tests. Therefore, her parents were already part of the org or at least working closely enough to be raising One’s experiment.
Damn, you’re right. I’d forgotten about that flashback. Back to the crackpot theory drawing board for me.
What Nose took was a kiss.
Woah… you… tricky… bastard… you are awesome, man.
Damn you, Nose. It’s not that you’re a creepy, evil bastard. It’s that I love you more because of it.
I love Nose extra-much today. <3
Everyone does remember that it was Nose who stole the sword from Emma in the first place, right?
So Nose can actually eat memories of other people? Or something along those lines?
Since he is a skeleton key, maybe that ability was meant to feed and develop his ability to access other worlds? So the more namesake memories he ate, the more worlds would be open to him. If that’s the case, that seems pretty different from Emma, who it looks like started out already containing namesake stories. That could be a reason why Daniel lost his writer powers, to enable the Rippers to copy/write stolen namesake stories into Emma’s being.
He seems to be more like an addict, than greedy. Kind like he craves it badly or extreme conditioning. Sorta feel bad for him, makes you wonder what kind of hell he was put through. On another note, I just found this comic about a week ago, it is wonderful!! Great job, thanks, I love it!!
Is this the first kiss in Namesake? I can’t remember a previous one…
I think it is the first. Unless you count forehead kisses. Nose gave one to Emma. Only Nose gets to kiss people, apparently.
Namesake is doomed to be not sexy.
Oh I don’t know. I think it comes across as plenty sexy without the kissing. Kind of… I don’t know… sexy but not sexual? I’m not sure that’s exactly what I mean to say.
I think all the shipping contradicts that statement. Not blatant, true.
Nose is most affectionate!
I started reading this yesterday after I saw Knot on tumblr and I just now got caught up…
You people are awesome and I very much love the story! I literally could not put down my laptop after starting, and when I did finally wrench myself away to go to bed (after 5 am!) I couldn’t sleep for another two hours because I was so excited thinking about it. I am constantly surprised, the anticipation is gripping, the art is beautiful…just, well done!
Welcome to the comic
So, we know that Nose is pretty addicted to this stuff.
I wonder if it would be addictive for Emma, too, and if that might have been partly what One was going for with the Namesake wine at the dinner?
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