Wow! This is so powerful I hardly know what to say. Heartbreaking, scary and thought provoking. None of the simple roads are being taken. You ladies are really making a great work. I love the look of Renge’s face in the last couple of panels.
Something’s not right, Renge you better start explaining things. Whatever that monster is I don’t think it came from Oz. Something wicked this way comes.
I think Renge was touched by this thing. And she’s slowly dying.
Remember how sick Warrick became after he was touched by the thing that killed their mother? Warrick was dying and his only salvation was using the research of the Wicked Witch of the West to ritually sacrifice his heart, sending it to Ozma. This made him sort of immortal. But like the Witch he became emotionally hard and vulnerable to water. (Vulnerable to water? Immortal? Hmm… Is Warrick technically “undead” now?)
As for what this thing is: It’s like those agents of Calliope mentioned a long time ago. Namesakes are sent to make right what is wrong in a story world. But if they fail, it has consequences for the story world and our world. Lots and lots of Dorthies have been sent to Oz and they did fix problems, but they did not fix the underlying problem.
So things in Oz must have reached such a sorry state that a hole developed in reality.
BTW: Remember the cover page we saw some time ago, the one where Emma is wielding a sword? We have yet to see Emma with a sword…
ohmigodohmigodohmigod that was on of the coolest phrases ever.
ozma said it was the hole in the world…goosebumps!
i wonder if it appeared when ozmas heart broke?
So the Wicked Witch of the West removed her heart, to Protect Ozma (from something), but went Evil due the lack of her heart. Same thing applies to Warrick, he has a lack of heart. Now “OZ” has a lack of heart, or has had this lack for quite some time. Obviously this ‘Hole in the World” has some history within OZ. Ozma, OZ, Holes, missing hearts, great illnesses when having come across the black goo thing. Broken hearts being Vulnerable, to emotion…. Anybody seeing the pattern? What broke Ozma’s heart? The answer as provided in past comics was the repeated deaths of the Dorthies. Yet I have a feeling it may go deeper then that.
Here’s a far-out (and almost certainly wrong) theory:
Oz is the creation of one man, unlike some fairy tales which while associated with particular people have been around, retold, modified, etc., for centuries.
Then the one man who created it all DIED.
Maybe the Hole in the World is the gap left when the true creator of the world, the one who put his heart and soul into the creation, is gone.
(and maybe the monsters are all the follow-on writers who couldn’t equal him, terrible fanfics, badly-done Oz movies, etc? )
Return to Oz actually was closer to the spirit of the original books than just about anything I’ve seen before or since (other than some of the Famous Forty). It was a mashup of “The Marvelous Land of Oz” and “Ozma of Oz”, mostly.
I’m uncertain on that one. It looks like he’s going to make the Wizard a hero, and we KNOW what the Wizard did when he came to Oz, and it weren’t heroic at all.
The flashbacks to Alice Liddel imply that the namesake worlds already exist, and the writers like Prof. Dogeson/Lewis Carroll record the Namesake’s journeys but don’t actually “create” the world. How that ties in with writer’s being able to “change things” is yet to be seen.
This story is a bit darker than the innocent The Wizard of Oz (1939 film). And this certainly isn’t like The NeverEnding Story (1984 film) or The NeverEnding Story II (1990 film). Is Emma going to ask everyone to “just believe” in their dreams? No offense, but: I, for one, don’t want to see that Japanese kids show cliche here (like what is used in Digimon: The Movie).
On second thought, I guess this does have some similarities to The NeverEnding Story.
Also, The Wizard of Oz (1939) movie may not be that innocent after all. I just read an article about it which offers 5 shockingly good reasons to consider Glinda the “Good Witch” to be the greatest movie villain ever! I know, that’s very hard to fathom. But after reading it, I had to agree the movie version of Glinda (as opposed to the books) makes for a far, far better villain than a protagonist!
The whole person from the ‘Real’ world transporting to a story world made me think of The NeverEnding Story from the start. This monster thing for some reason makes me think of The Nothing. I also think Bastian would be a good Namesake (Though i don’t know if the NeverEnding Story is public domain yet, doubtful since it was published in 1979, don’t know how old something has to be to be public domain)
Indeed. I can’t share the link here, but…
SPOILER ALERT: Glinda intentionally mislead (i.e., lied to) WWotW (the Wicked Witch of the West) when she came to find out who killed her sister. And she acted the perfect villain by brilliantly manipulating Dorthy into eventually confronting WWotW in order for Dorthy to kill Glinda’s only remaining rival. Glinda could have diffused the situation at the start and made it clear that the death of WWotW’s sister was an accident. Instead, she did the opposite and enthusiastically fanned the flames of hate. Heck, Dorthy had the means to return to Kansas the whole time and Glinda KNEW this.
Well, the movie was much fluffier than the original book. It (A) made everything a dream, when it was very much real in the book, and (B) cut out a lot of other components of the book, including a confrontation with the hideous Kalidahs who were quite intent on ripping Our Heroes to pieces.
Hmm, I wonder if other worlds have holes in them as well and that’s what Emma has to do: fix the holes. And if they do, do all the worlds with holes have strange, unkillable, black things?
Best villain? I’ve seen various lists with the likes of Darth Vader, Sauron from Lord of the Rings, Agent Smith (Matrix), Galactus: Destroyer of Worlds, the T-2000 or T-X Terminators, The Borg, the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Cylons, Darkseid, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, and others. It’s hard to compete with those. I can think of a few obscure ones, too, like Nekron (Lord of the Unliving, DC Comics) and the Spirit of the Abyss and the Magog in the Andromeda series.
We don’t know enough about this “thing” yet to make a judgement. So far, the only person we’ve seen it kill is Warrick’s and Selva’s mother and that was entirely by accident. (She overexerted herself and her children being in danger stressed her damaged heart.) Sure, Warrick got sick. But we don’t even know if that was intentional. We know nothing about the thing’s motives or emotions or even if it has the human equivalent of those.
Best villain I’ve ever seen is Orochimaru, from Naruto. Super-powerful, super smart, stylishly creepy, and playing Xanatos Chess with *EVERYONE* about six layers deep.
Aside from clips from one episode, I’ve never watched Naruto. But that does sound like a stylish mastermind of a villain.
I think the problem with this discussion is that we need to specify different villain categories. I’m guessing foxtail_j was thinking in terms of “Most Powerfully Dangerous Villains” or something. There should also be categories for “Most Stylish”, “Most Brilliant”, “Most Demented”, etc, etc. The term “Best” is about as subjective as one can get.
Emma is the traveler, Elaine is the author, together they may be the repair team that Calliope needs to balance the damage that has been done over time.
I hope we’ll get into the other fairy tale worlds and some of their namesake’s back-stories. Including the former namesakes back-stories, we can guess that “Fish” is from The Little Mermaid, Vanessa is from The Firebird, and I think that “Nose” might be from a fairy tale about a big nosed prince named Prince Hyacinth.
Hmmm, I wonder if the same black stuff coming from Renge’s arm is the same stuff tht came from Scarecrow…
A hole in the world! Bad!
I agree the black stuff from Renge seems to be floating up to join the black stuff from Scarecrow. Yick.
Wow! This is so powerful I hardly know what to say. Heartbreaking, scary and thought provoking. None of the simple roads are being taken. You ladies are really making a great work. I love the look of Renge’s face in the last couple of panels.
Poor Scarecrow.
Something’s not right, Renge you better start explaining things. Whatever that monster is I don’t think it came from Oz. Something wicked this way comes.
Curioser and curiouser…
I think Renge was touched by this thing. And she’s slowly dying.
Remember how sick Warrick became after he was touched by the thing that killed their mother? Warrick was dying and his only salvation was using the research of the Wicked Witch of the West to ritually sacrifice his heart, sending it to Ozma. This made him sort of immortal. But like the Witch he became emotionally hard and vulnerable to water. (Vulnerable to water? Immortal? Hmm… Is Warrick technically “undead” now?)
As for what this thing is: It’s like those agents of Calliope mentioned a long time ago. Namesakes are sent to make right what is wrong in a story world. But if they fail, it has consequences for the story world and our world. Lots and lots of Dorthies have been sent to Oz and they did fix problems, but they did not fix the underlying problem.
So things in Oz must have reached such a sorry state that a hole developed in reality.
BTW: Remember the cover page we saw some time ago, the one where Emma is wielding a sword? We have yet to see Emma with a sword…
The sword is in the tree between the worlds, where Emma met the lady of many faces. She’ll be going back to get it soon…
To kill the (w)hole . . .
ohmigodohmigodohmigod that was on of the coolest phrases ever.
ozma said it was the hole in the world…goosebumps!
i wonder if it appeared when ozmas heart broke?
Oh dear, does everyone have black goo coming out of them now? Or… into them? O_o
The last panel is beatiful. Sublime.
Darn, I’m gonna have to read the whole comic again for a third time.
So the Wicked Witch of the West removed her heart, to Protect Ozma (from something), but went Evil due the lack of her heart. Same thing applies to Warrick, he has a lack of heart. Now “OZ” has a lack of heart, or has had this lack for quite some time. Obviously this ‘Hole in the World” has some history within OZ. Ozma, OZ, Holes, missing hearts, great illnesses when having come across the black goo thing. Broken hearts being Vulnerable, to emotion…. Anybody seeing the pattern? What broke Ozma’s heart? The answer as provided in past comics was the repeated deaths of the Dorthies. Yet I have a feeling it may go deeper then that.
Here’s a far-out (and almost certainly wrong) theory:
Oz is the creation of one man, unlike some fairy tales which while associated with particular people have been around, retold, modified, etc., for centuries.
Then the one man who created it all DIED.
Maybe the Hole in the World is the gap left when the true creator of the world, the one who put his heart and soul into the creation, is gone.
(and maybe the monsters are all the follow-on writers who couldn’t equal him, terrible fanfics, badly-done Oz movies, etc? )
I’d imagine if this theory is true then there’d be one hell of a monster left behind by Return to Oz (1985) starring Fairuza Balk
Return to Oz actually was closer to the spirit of the original books than just about anything I’ve seen before or since (other than some of the Famous Forty). It was a mashup of “The Marvelous Land of Oz” and “Ozma of Oz”, mostly.
I’m looking forward to Sam Raimi’s Oz: The Great and Powerful
I’m uncertain on that one. It looks like he’s going to make the Wizard a hero, and we KNOW what the Wizard did when he came to Oz, and it weren’t heroic at all.
The flashbacks to Alice Liddel imply that the namesake worlds already exist, and the writers like Prof. Dogeson/Lewis Carroll record the Namesake’s journeys but don’t actually “create” the world. How that ties in with writer’s being able to “change things” is yet to be seen.
Let’s just hope poor Emma doesn’t have to venture into H.P. Lovecraft’s universe…that place is scary evil.
If true, that would give fanfiction a very positive spin as a genre.
People have begun to lose their hopes and forget their dreams. So the Nothing grows stronger.
This story is a bit darker than the innocent The Wizard of Oz (1939 film). And this certainly isn’t like The NeverEnding Story (1984 film) or The NeverEnding Story II (1990 film). Is Emma going to ask everyone to “just believe” in their dreams? No offense, but: I, for one, don’t want to see that Japanese kids show cliche here (like what is used in Digimon: The Movie).
On second thought, I guess this does have some similarities to The NeverEnding Story.
Also, The Wizard of Oz (1939) movie may not be that innocent after all. I just read an article about it which offers 5 shockingly good reasons to consider Glinda the “Good Witch” to be the greatest movie villain ever! I know, that’s very hard to fathom. But after reading it, I had to agree the movie version of Glinda (as opposed to the books) makes for a far, far better villain than a protagonist!
The whole person from the ‘Real’ world transporting to a story world made me think of The NeverEnding Story from the start. This monster thing for some reason makes me think of The Nothing. I also think Bastian would be a good Namesake (Though i don’t know if the NeverEnding Story is public domain yet, doubtful since it was published in 1979, don’t know how old something has to be to be public domain)
I just read the article. I have a different picture of Glinda now to be sure. What would Baum think?
Indeed. I can’t share the link here, but…
SPOILER ALERT: Glinda intentionally mislead (i.e., lied to) WWotW (the Wicked Witch of the West) when she came to find out who killed her sister. And she acted the perfect villain by brilliantly manipulating Dorthy into eventually confronting WWotW in order for Dorthy to kill Glinda’s only remaining rival. Glinda could have diffused the situation at the start and made it clear that the death of WWotW’s sister was an accident. Instead, she did the opposite and enthusiastically fanned the flames of hate. Heck, Dorthy had the means to return to Kansas the whole time and Glinda KNEW this.
Well, the movie was much fluffier than the original book. It (A) made everything a dream, when it was very much real in the book, and (B) cut out a lot of other components of the book, including a confrontation with the hideous Kalidahs who were quite intent on ripping Our Heroes to pieces.
I’d think there were bigger monsters created by SyFy, with “Tin Man”, et. al.
Argh. Anything the skiffy channel touches turns to vomit. They ruined the Riverworld movie, too.
Tin Man had its ups and downs, but Zooey Deschanel was good as DG.
Really? I was uncertain about Tin Man, but the farther into it I got, the more Ozzy it was, until the ending was really quite Ozzy indeed.
Hmm, I wonder if other worlds have holes in them as well and that’s what Emma has to do: fix the holes. And if they do, do all the worlds with holes have strange, unkillable, black things?
Best villain ever. I cannot hear ‘oh, and reality collapsing in on itself in some fashion’ and not feel suspense.
Best villain? I’ve seen various lists with the likes of Darth Vader, Sauron from Lord of the Rings, Agent Smith (Matrix), Galactus: Destroyer of Worlds, the T-2000 or T-X Terminators, The Borg, the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Cylons, Darkseid, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, and others. It’s hard to compete with those. I can think of a few obscure ones, too, like Nekron (Lord of the Unliving, DC Comics) and the Spirit of the Abyss and the Magog in the Andromeda series.
We don’t know enough about this “thing” yet to make a judgement. So far, the only person we’ve seen it kill is Warrick’s and Selva’s mother and that was entirely by accident. (She overexerted herself and her children being in danger stressed her damaged heart.) Sure, Warrick got sick. But we don’t even know if that was intentional. We know nothing about the thing’s motives or emotions or even if it has the human equivalent of those.
Best villain I’ve ever seen is Orochimaru, from Naruto. Super-powerful, super smart, stylishly creepy, and playing Xanatos Chess with *EVERYONE* about six layers deep.
Aside from clips from one episode, I’ve never watched Naruto. But that does sound like a stylish mastermind of a villain.
I think the problem with this discussion is that we need to specify different villain categories. I’m guessing foxtail_j was thinking in terms of “Most Powerfully Dangerous Villains” or something. There should also be categories for “Most Stylish”, “Most Brilliant”, “Most Demented”, etc, etc. The term “Best” is about as subjective as one can get.
Emma is the traveler, Elaine is the author, together they may be the repair team that Calliope needs to balance the damage that has been done over time.
I hope we’ll get into the other fairy tale worlds and some of their namesake’s back-stories. Including the former namesakes back-stories, we can guess that “Fish” is from The Little Mermaid, Vanessa is from The Firebird, and I think that “Nose” might be from a fairy tale about a big nosed prince named Prince Hyacinth.
I’d think “Nose” might be Pinocchio, myself, but I don’t know.
I read Pinocchio years ago, and I’m pretty sure his nose would be normal when he became real. But who knows.
Omg, it’s the Nothing!